Enough is enough. The NIU and the other six mass shootings this month prove that we need to have our good citizens carrying guns. Two basic, irrefutable arguments:
1. Gun laws don’t work. Most shooters already violate some existing law either by owning or possessing their weapon at the time of the shooting. Liberal ranting about more unenforceable laws is nonsense, pure and simple.
2. If our citizenry had guns, shootings might not be stopped, but the number of victims would definitely be reduced in each incident.
I am not endorsing the old west, here. I am calling for strict background checks, mandatory on the range classes and testing, and detailed gun registration. But once you meet these stringent standards, I cannot imagine why our government makes you sit in a room and die at the hands of an animal who followed no such regimen.
Please don’t make more students sit helpless and die. At least if someone in that room was armed, the attacker could have been killed after the first victim went down. At least we could be having one or two funerals, not seven.
It’s about time.
Feb 19, 2008 at 9:24 am
You are carrying under the authority of your department, and I believe they share some liability, so they get to limit what they authorize. I don’t see the need, the problem is with specific people rather than specific guns. On the other hand, I’d probably be willing to trade your restrictions for the ability to carry legally in every state.
The more restrictions and limits there are on CCW, the fewer people will get licensed. Ohio had some silly rules on car carry for the first 3 years of CCW–Even with a license you could not carry concealed while in the car, you had to open carry or lock it up. As a result, a lot of people didn’t get their license until those rules were relaxed.
There are states that limit CCW to guns listed on the license. This causes needless hassle–Someone sends a gun off for warranty work, and the frame gets replaced and has a different serial number–They now have to re-register and wait. I carry different guns depending on the weather. My wife also has CCW–One of her guns is the same model as the one I usually carry–Do I have to check serial numbers when I get one out of the safe? Can I borrow one of her guns if I want to carry something smaller today? If I want a beer, can I give her my gun?
If you want to trade registration of all guns including hunting rifles in order to gain CCW, I think that is a very bad idea. The anti-gun groups try to separate the hunters from the rest of gun owners as a divide and conquer strategy. I don’t own a hunting gun, but I won’t willingly accept more restrictions on their rights even to benefit mine.
It would help fight police corruption if your financial records were considered public records–What’s the problem if you have nothing to hide?
I’m fine with most beneficial restrictions on CCW, but the benefits should outweigh the hassle. There are too many politicians who are willing to add hassle even if there is no benefit.
(I apologize if I come across as antagonistic–I generally agree with you more than I disagree, otherwise I wouldn’t even bother arguing)
Feb 19, 2008 at 12:26 pm
What’s wrong with registration?
Simple: look at what has been happening to registered guns in Chicago. Or what has happened, EVERY TIME, after registration has been in place for a while in other countries.
Confiscation follows registration inevitably.
I hold an Arizona CCW. It’s nice that it does not specify the weapon I can carry concealed, nor how many I am allowed to conceal.
Feb 19, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Good points everyone.
John, I think that your question is an excellent one. All I can say is that the deterrent effect seems to outweigh that concern. In every U.S. State that implements carry laws, violent crime goes DOWN. Also there is a pragmatic element here. We simply cannot hope to get all the guns away from everyone, it will not happen.
Sev,
I see your point. I had not thought about repairs, etc. And indeed my department “owns” me to some degree. I REALLY like your point about the politicians and the slippery slope. If they change their mind later, they will have a list of guns…and don’t EVER apologize for discussing these points with me. That is what this blog is all about!
Arizona…
See me comment above, but I hear you on the follow-up confiscation!
Feb 19, 2008 at 9:57 pm
John–I’d like to answer some of your points from the view of a concealed carry license holder. The people with carry licenses are convicted of violent crimes 1/5 to 1/8 as often as the general population. We have to pass a strict criminal background check, and the kind of people willing to go through the process aren’t typically hotheaded. Like Philo said (if he can shorten my handle…) crime goes down when CCW is allowed.
Most police understand that we aren’t the ones they need to worry about.
Feb 20, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Thanks for that PC and Sevesteen. What’s the protocol if you’re carrying and you get pulled over or stopped in the street – are you supposed to let the police know immediately, or only if you’re going to be searched?
John
Feb 21, 2008 at 4:02 pm
My answer is that you should ALWAYS identify yourself and your weapon at once. Nothing but tragedy can come from the opposite response.
PC
Feb 21, 2008 at 6:13 pm
In Ohio, I’m required to notify immediately whenever stopped for a law enforcement purpose while armed. Some states don’t require notification, but I would anyhow–I don’t want an officer to be surprised by my gun, and I don’t want to be mixed up about the rules in a particular state–It is enough for me to remember which ones accept my licenses.
It is recommended that you tell about the license before you tell that you’ve got a gun. Yelling out “I’ve got a gun!!” might meet the requirements of the statute, but is not likely to generate a positive response from the officer.
Feb 22, 2008 at 9:58 am
Response has already started. See this link:
http://tinyurl.com/3yh8o6
This is a CNN report about a college student in Utah who started packing after the VA Tech incident. It’s a shame he may be doing so in violation of Utah law (I don’t know Utah law about weapons on campus, but I bet it’s a violation). The decision to refuse to be a victim is a key issue for this young man. I don’t blame him a bit, and I would probably do the same thing.
This site has really good info for those who have or are considering obtaining a carry permit: http://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
Some states with carry permits, mine for instance (TN), do not specify *concealed*. TN has bills in its General Assembly this session that may modify the carry law to allow carry in restaurants that serve alcohol as long as no alcohol is being consumed by the individual carrying. Just an FYI.
A quick search of the net will reveal that there is beginning to be much activity on the student right to carry front. This will only grow – it will not go away.
We shall see what we shall see, but a well qualified populace that scares the bejesus out of a potential mass killer is one aspect of controlling an essentially uncontrollable phenomenon.
406, OUT
Feb 22, 2008 at 10:34 am
The website I mentioned in my first comment above is interesting. Good info. When you sign up for their email newsletter, there’s what appears at first blush to be a VERY good publication they offer you in PDF form. It’s a 12 chapter, 11MB document titled “The Armed Citizen Solution.” It seems both very informative and very practical.
One of the issues addressed – and one on which we might want to spend some time in a separate topic – is the issue of situational awareness. That issue dovetails into personal OPSEC (nice acronym for Operational Security).
Have any of you non-cops ever noticed cops when they go into a restaurant or other public place? Have you ever noticed which seats they chose and how they orient themselves to other people in the place and the doors and windows? Well, that’s all part of situational awareness and OPSEC.
Film at 11.
406, OUT
Feb 22, 2008 at 10:43 am
406 – you should start your own blog! Excellent points all. I had saved that story for a post this morning, so with your permission I am putting it up now.
Also I couldn’t agree more on the OPSEC comment. If people were just more aware, half of this problem might be fixed.
PC